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#057 - Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan - Why True Healing Starts With You, Not The Medical System
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan unpacks what it truly means to be human beyond the limits of conventional medicine, revealing how redefining health begins with rediscovering who we really are. From Harvard-trained software engineer to holistic healer, she shares how chronic stress, societal programming, and misaligned life paths manifest in the body—and how healing begins with joy, coherence, and truth through her Super Wellness framework.
Timestamps:
00:00 A New Way For Humanity
06:26 Exposed To Healing At A Young Age
12:10 The Perfect Route Isn't Always The Direct One
14:25 Healing Yourself Before Helping Others
18:00 Dealing With Dueling Voices
22:06 Impact Of Wim Hof
30:18 Powerful Meditation Experience
36:24 Showing People Ailments Are Gifts
41:34 It All Starts With Chronic Stress
47:27 Overview of H.E.A.L.T.H.
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What’s up outworkers. Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan unpacks what it truly means to be human beyond the limits of conventional medicine, revealing how redefining health begins with rediscovering who we really are. From Harvard-trained software engineer to holistic healer, she shares how chronic stress, societal programming, and misaligned life paths manifest in the body—and how healing begins with joy, coherence, and truth through her Super Wellness framework.
Tim Doyle (00:07.948)
You dedicated your book to pioneers ushering in a new way for humanity. What is that new way?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (00:16.99)
that there's so much to unpack together about the new way. I think a lot of us start this journey by looking at all the things that aren't working in our world. I have a dear friend named Mark Gober that you may be familiar with. He's written a bunch of books called, End to Upside Down Blank, An End to Upside Down Thinking, Living and so on. And he wrote a book called, An End to Upside Down Medicine, which I resonate with so much.
I kind of wish I stole some of his words in my book, but my book was written years before his. Anyway, he said this one thing, which is, perhaps the biggest issue with our conventional allopathic medicine model is that we have no idea what a human being even is. And that really, I thought, that is such the sentiment that encapsulates how I feel about this topic too.
is, you know, I know that we're going to talk about my book Super Wellness and Health and Wellness and you have an audience that is very awake, aware and questioning and yeah, seeking truth and empowering themselves to experience a more beautiful, rich, inspired and empowered experience of life. But
A lot of times we ask questions like, which biohack should I do or which technique or which tool or which supplement should I take? I would say that that's probably not the best level of question and inquiry. It's more like what is a human being? know, what is a human being? What are we doing here? What is the nature of reality? And the inquiry of that can unfold into therefore,
What is our orientation to our health? How can we take beautiful care of ourselves and our wellbeing? Yeah, so I would say there's this idea of a pure physical materialist paradigm that Western allopathic medicine is part of, and probably your audience has kind of broken free from that worldview. So if that's not how it actually works, then there's a whole fresh new conversation of
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (02:31.346)
what a human being actually is. If a human being is multidimensional, has body, mind, emotion, soul, attuned to energy awareness, and has an inquiry about, you know, what is the purpose of my life? What am I doing here? All of that is actually part of the wellness conversation too. So it just opens.
we don't limit ourselves to this very narrow way of looking at life anymore. So it's like a vast open world of expansive possibilities of many beautiful ways in which we can nurture our health and wellbeing. And I just honor everyone that has the courage to ask these deeper questions.
Tim Doyle (03:12.79)
Our gut instinct, especially when it comes to when we have a health problem is to look externally and think what is outside of myself that can help with this internal problem. And I think you're starting to see a shift now, which has played a crucial role within my life as well. It's like, okay, let's start actually looking internally where within me internally can actually heal that problem that also lives in turn.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (03:40.348)
Yeah, I don't know if it's a gut instinct or it's a programming that we've been programmed to look outside of ourselves, you know, because I have two little kids, they're not so little now, they're five and 10, and just witnessing them growing up, I see that an attunement.
to their inner being comes very naturally. It's like it gets programmed out of us. Have you ever been, you're maybe too young to have kids yet, but have you been around kids when they first fall? Like if they trip and fall and there's a look of surprise and then they look to the adult around them to meaning there's that moment in which it's like, should I be sad about this or?
And then if the adults around them is like, are you okay? You're okay. Let's kiss your boob one. Let's carry on or, you know, like, or attune to them, make sure that they feel taken care of, but don't catastrophize the whole thing. They are looking for cues from all the adults around us. So how many of us have been, so many things that are reactions to things may not be actually our natural reaction. It just may be a programmed societal programming, you know.
Tim Doyle (04:49.686)
Yeah, that's really interesting. So the same thing happens with us as adults where we're looking to the medical system to give us those cues for how we should be reacting.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (04:59.506)
Yeah, one of the things that I love to share and I share this in the Super Wellness program.
I ask people, you know, if you go to a Western allopathic medical doctor, how often do you go? Like once or twice a year, if at all? I don't know, your audience maybe they go to, you know, like naturopaths and homeopaths and chiropractors and acupuncturists and stuff. But if you go to a conventional Western medicine doctor, maybe it's once or twice a year or something.
In the olden times, they get to know your families, but these days, the appointments are like five minutes, you know? So they're not to poo poo on MDs if there are any Western medical doctors listening. But I think they would by and large agree that they are in this hustle culture where they don't have time to get to know their clients. So you think about this, five minutes, twice a year?
10 minutes twice a year versus how long is your appointment with yourself, which is 24 7 365 decade after decade. So who's going to know better what works for you and what doesn't work for you? You know, so I often like to say a lot of the reprogramming that we're doing here is, um, yeah, recognizing that although you respect professionals that have expertise and fancy pieces of paper on the wall,
Actually, they're all just minions working for you. You know, it's time to flip the tables a bit and recognize that you're the boss in command of the situation. All of these fancy white coat people, they're just little minions working for you.
Tim Doyle (06:39.18)
You grew up in Hong Kong and got exposed to healing at a very young age. What effect did that have on you?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (06:45.554)
Yeah, I love to share the story because Hong Kong is a really interesting place. It's multicultural. There's the Chinese influence. There's all these fun martial arts movies that we grew up with like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and you know, like the martial arts and qigong and tai chi kind of like culture is very much alive. And at the same time, it's a very modern westernized society. my parents are
just very like Western oriented and growing up they always would see an MD first before anything. And if we had anything they would say, take antibiotics all these, was very Western medical oriented. have.
nurses and doctors, western doctors in our family. And my dad had this back pain, my sister had an ankle sprain, and it just kept getting inflamed and painful and they saw specialist after specialist after specialist and nobody seems to be able to help. And finally, some family friends said, you know, there's this Qigong healer and he does his Qigong energy healing and he seems to be able to help a lot of people that
otherwise have given up, why don't you give them a try? And so this was in the eighties. I guess that the fashion is coming back. I remember I wore this matching purple velour like warm up track suit to go meet this Qigong healer. And I'm like four years old and I go along, my parents, my sister, my sister with her swollen ankle. My dad is like hobbling around with his back pain.
And in one session, this guy heals my dad's back pain and my sister's ankle swelling came right down, no more pain, one session. And I'm four years old thinking, what are you adults doing? You've seen specialists after specialists after specialists, nobody could help. Here's one guy that in one session can solve the problem with you.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (08:51.562)
who's more superior here? You know, like it was very clear from a four-year-old's eyes. So I started telling everybody when I grow up, that's what I'm going to do. So this was in the 80s and there wasn't so much research, medical research and licensure and all that stuff. And my parents thought, well, you know, it's hard to make a living being some kind of
energy healer in a back alleyway and also back in those days if you want to study an apprentice with a proper lineage Qigong master mostly you have to be a boy and you study with them for decades and you learn all the lineage secrets and maybe someday when the master dies that you can take over you know it's like not an easy life and so my parents like all parents
They want the best for their kids and they thought, hey, you're seem like a smart kid. Why don't you go to school, get good grades, get a good job, all this stuff, you know? So, so I remember distinctly like battling this because I knew that what I saw was so important. I thought this is, I don't understand why the adults are so opposed to me wanting to do this when I grow up.
At some point I just said, well, if I can't do that, I guess I'll be an astronaut. Cause like a lot of kids at night, I would lay in bed. I would see through dimensions. would see mandalas, I see star systems, I'd have orbs visiting. All these kind of like what people would call paranormal experiences. As a kid, I was having them and I think probably all kids have these experiences. It just gets shut down cause society says, that's not important or that's just your imagination.
know. So I told the adults around me, said, okay, if I really can't become a Chinese healer, I guess I'll be an astronaut. And so my parents and my aunts and uncles, they were so thrilled. They're like, okay, well, go be an astronaut and get really good at engineering and math and science and astronomy and all that stuff. So I became quite good at science and math. And fast forward, I find myself at Harvard getting a degree in applied math and
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (11:01.662)
right after undergrad get recruited by software companies and I find myself in a short stint of a software career.
being really good at my job and being totally miserable. And so, yeah, without going into all the details of the story, there is a moment of inquiry and questioning where I just cold turkey quit my job and went back to Chinese medicine. And at this point, Chinese medicine is more respected. There's master's degrees and now there's doctorate degrees and there's, you know, like a professionalism to it. It's not like some
seemingly sketchy back alleyway healer, you know, that you would be seeing and yeah, so I changed my career and I haven't looked back since.
Tim Doyle (11:49.098)
It's interesting. what we were previously talking about was people's not so much gut instinct, but their programming is to think externally when they have a medical problem. And that stems from a young age or that is born at a young age. When you were a young child, what your programming was actually built on was seeing and being exposed to these healing powers right in front of your eyes. And that's what your mental
wiring went to rather than the medical system. And like you were saying, it wasn't the most direct route to get to your healing work. But why do you think that was the perfect route for you?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (12:31.848)
Yeah, it really was perfect because there are so many people that I've come into contact with that say they were curious about energy healing, so-called alternative therapies, which I really don't like that term because people, you know.
like conventional allopathic medicine is very young compared to things like Chinese and Ayurvedic medicine and so on, you know. So Chinese medicine is way more traditional and grounded and rooted and deep compared to allopathic medicine, which is a pretty recent thing. For me, a lot of people in our modern Western society,
Tim Doyle (12:55.459)
Yeah.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (13:16.082)
They're curious. A lot of people are open-minded and curious, but you don't know who to trust sometimes, you know? And people, a lot of people tell me because they know that I have a practical and grounded background and I have the piece of paper on the wall that says that I'm a logical, rational thinker. They feel comfortable to explore.
new possibilities with someone that they feel like they can trust and relate with. So I'm very grateful that I have more conventional education. then also these days with
how much technology is a huge part of our lives now. So having had a short stint working in software, seeing how technology companies operate, and definitely not being afraid of working with technology in a mindful and conscious way, I think is an important part of many people's journey in today's world.
and kind of, it's something that we're all grappling with, like a wise and intentional relationship with technology as we move into the future. It's part of this inquiry of what a human being is to and health and wellbeing is very immersed in that. So I'm grateful for all of these seemingly circuitous, you know, detours that I took.
Tim Doyle (14:38.712)
How important was it for you to do this healing self, your work personally? Like you were saying, you were working in software and you were miserable and your health and wellness and sense of being deteriorated. How important was it for you to do that work before fully committing to this healing work and helping with other people?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (14:57.266)
Yeah, I'm so grateful because a lot of my clients over these last 20 years have come to me that have really stressful tech jobs. live in the San Francisco Bay area and I've worked with a lot of people that are in the Silicon Valley world and they're open-minded, wonderful human beings that are in a very high-intensity tech environment. So having had that exposure is really important part of my professional skill set as a holistic medicine doctor these days.
And yeah, and for me, also, I also feel like, um...
Part of the journey that we're all on right now is because there's so much information available on the internet. Like your audience, they're obviously interested in conversations like this. You probably read books, watch documentaries, listen to lots of interesting podcasts that we have no shortage of information. But ultimately, where does change happen? It happens through direct embodied experience. So if I had an experience life in that tech world,
and I gained all this extra weight and I had all these digestive problems and I hope it's not TMI, I had really debilitating monthly menstrual cramps and I had bad like acne and skin issues and frequent colds and flus and headaches and so on. I had to experience what that's like.
And even though I was exercising regularly and so on, I still had all these health ailments and everyone's like, well, that's just stress. It just seems like stress. You know, if you have an ache or pain, just take a painkiller and, know, just kind of tough it out. So it just got me into this inquiry of, is this really what adulthood has to be like? You know? And so,
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (16:47.578)
Interestingly, as soon as I quit that job, and I don't recommend this for young people out there, I did not plan ahead. I hadn't like really saved up lots of money to make this career change. So here I am as basically starving grad student in San Francisco, expensive city, and studying Chinese medicine at a graduate school in the Bay Area, and then apprenticing with my teacher who's a chief own healer and teaching me all kinds of lineage teachings. It was beautiful experience, but I was
Grounding by like month to month barely making ends meet so I was basically eating rice and beans and a lot of times not even beans just rice with some sauce You know like not even eating that healthy But all of my health problems went away
Just because of this realignment of my life path, I was in such a flow of joy and life was beautiful and inspired and I was excited to wake up every day to live each and every day learning cool new things, immersed in other people that were in the inquiry of the same topics that I was passionate about.
All of my health problems just disappeared and I definitely didn't have a better diet. In fact, you could argue it was somewhat worse because I was like, you know, starving grad student, a little malnutritioned even, but the joy and the passion and the love and the zest for life was so strong in me that it healed everything.
Tim Doyle (18:17.934)
The stressful years working in tech gave me the most priceless gift of all, learning how to let go of the dueling voices in the head and listen to the heart. What were those dueling voices?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (18:29.554)
Well, you I came from a really hardworking immigrant family and there was for sure pressure that my parents worked very hard and we immigrated to the United States. I went to really good schools and finally I graduated from an Ivy League school.
Magna Cum Laude, I applied math, they're like, okay, we are done. She's set for life now. And then one day I announced I'm going to throw away my high paying software tech job and the whole career. I'm walking away from all of it. And I'm going to become in their eyes, a quack. Which is very interesting because they had their own experience with Chinese medicine, but still they thought like, I don't know if I really believe it. It seems kind of sketchy, you know.
And yeah, we've had family members back in those days that thought, why are you going to throw away such a
you're so smart, why are you going to throw it all away? That's how they saw it. You know, they're really concerned. And they said, if you want to help people and heal people, why don't you go to Western Medicine School? You could get in, you had good GPAs, you are good at science, you could take all the prerequisites and become an MD. And they didn't, you know, they didn't understand. And when you're in your 20s, in your early 20s, at that time for me,
You still like you're an adult, but you still really care about your parents' approval, you know. So it was not easy for me to walk away from all of that. And honestly, it took about 10 years into this career change before my family started seeing that she's not homeless and starving to death. She brings so much joy consistently. She's clearly really impassioned by what she's doing. wasn't just a phase that lasted a couple of years. Now a decade into it,
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (20:21.664)
thriving and she's building a successful clinical practice. She's helping a lot of people and then at the family reunion gatherings I was able to help.
aunts and uncles, my uncle had a really severe frozen shoulder condition and he had done many months of physical therapy and only got a little bit of results and then in that week of a family gathering just in three sessions we got back his full range of motion using my manual therapy and acupuncture techniques that I learned from my teacher who was a had been a Shaolin Jigo master so there's like in that martial arts tradition they have a lot of really great holistic
orthopedic and sports medicine kind of strategies that are very, very powerful. So I learned a lot of very tangible, practical ways of being helpful. And at the end of the day, it's just, everybody just wants good results and the results kind of speak for themselves. And ultimately it doesn't matter if parents approve or don't approve in the end when you have results. It's...
very persuasive. now they're all very happy and proud and approving of my big change, but there was a good decade where it was not like that. So it took a lot of courage for me to really sit in the confidence of my own inner compass, know that this was my path, you know.
Tim Doyle (21:47.594)
Yeah, that's really powerful to be able to, like you're saying, I think it can even go deeper into your twenties of needing your family's approval, but having the confidence in the vision in yourself, but not just yourself, but just the work as a whole. And it's not just your own identity, but knowing like, no, this is the work that I need to be doing. And like you also said, when you build that
list of evidence of, this is actually making a difference. That's where the confidence can be built. Somebody who's also had an impact on your life and on the opposite side of things, a person who you could say, that's a person that actually really pushed me into this way of life and this way of work. What impact has Wim Hof had on you and your work?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (22:41.598)
Yeah, you know, I started, so there's the experience at age four that was always in the back of my mind that this Qigong healer could in one session create such profound results using nothing but energy. He didn't do acupuncture, he just used energy healing. So, so.
It was always in the back of my mind, but once I started Chinese medicine school, I started meditating more regularly. I started having my own Qigong practice because that's part of Chinese medicine school. Outside of Chinese medicine school, I went deeper into Qigong practices. so that actually was what instigated so much of so many of my explorations. I'm kind of giving you a little bit of a long winded answer because this is an important backdrop.
still in Chinese medicine school. I was doing a Qigong practice, which by the way maybe some of your audience knows about Qigong, but Qigong is basically the traditional Chinese meditative practice that is focused on number one, attention and intention. Number two, using your intention to
kind of guide the energy flow. then number three, well, and your breath, sorry, combining your intention and your breathing pattern to guide the flow of the energy. And number three is either a specific posture that you sit or stand in, or specific set of movements to kind of support the flow of the energies. And so for me, Qigong was such a profound practice because I couldn't really meditate, but Qigong really dropped me into a meditative state by focusing on the breath, focusing on the intention
focusing on posture and movement. And I had this profound experience of complete disillusion of the self and reunion with the cosmos. I experienced myself exploding into trillions of pieces of light this one session where I remembered who and what we all really are, which is pure love.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (24:48.272)
And the experience was so ineffable that it took a really long time for me to come back from that to even have words to articulate what happened there.
I just knew from that direct experience back to direct experience again. It wasn't something that you read in a book. It's a direct experience of knowing with so much certainty that who and what we all are is pure love.
And turned me into a real seeker after that because I didn't understand if that is our true nature, why is there so much pain and suffering and war and divisiveness and hatred and disease and all of these things that seem like so far away from that state that I experienced. So as part of my seeking, I started studying with different healers and teachers of many different traditions, reading thousands of books on
of physical truths and spirituality and the nature of consciousness, the nature of reality. And so I started discovering people that have had near-death experiences, such as some of your guests that have been on your show. And that really helped me a lot to start to put the pieces of the puzzle together to realize that maybe I'm not crazy and to realize, as we mentioned in the early part of the episode, that this world is actually backwards and upside down.
that it has been built backwards and upside down is almost like a little hide and seek game that we set up for ourselves. And so along that journey, I started exploring all the people that are questioning the nature of reality and questioning all these artificial limitations that we put upon ourselves in this world. And a big person that I'm so grateful to met.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (26:48.184)
my journey is Wim Hof. Back in, I connected with them, I feel like back in 2012 and then in 2013 I invited him to come to California to just teach a little class with a small group of my friends back in those days.
The impact he has had on me is maybe a not obvious one. He's such a big personality, you know, and has such a, like, just like a wonderful, he's kind of like a force of nature. He just like goes with the flow. He just says yes to life, you know, let's go. But I would like to share a little, fun little story because,
At that time, I was living in a small town. moved out of San Francisco. I've had some big experiences through meditation that made me really sensitive to energies. And at that time in 2013, I was so heightened in my intuitive sensitivity and I hadn't matured enough to learn how to turn it off.
that I couldn't tolerate living in the city. So we moved to a little countryside cottage, very humble little cottage on an acre of land. And that's where Super Wellness, my book was written, in this nature-filled environment with a beautiful sunshine during the day, complete darkness at night, hardly any Wi-Fi signals or 5G towers around. Very humble little cottage, and I had a...
It was a small one bedroom cottage, my partner Dave and I living there and we had the worst janky pullout couch with like a broken leg basically in our living room. Very humble place. And I invite the Wim Hof here, you know? And he's staying at my house and I had pulled out the...
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (28:45.958)
janky pull out couch with the busted up leg and I kind of like ranked it back on and made a nice bedding for him to stay and He was such a gracious guest, know, so easy going he would eat whatever you feed him He would go with the flow and just like hey want to go to the Redwoods and hey go for a little hike He was just up for any kind of adventure. It was such a beautiful experience outside of actually learning his method You know just hanging out with him
And then that night that he stayed on the janky couch, I was like, hope he has a decent night rest there, you know, in the morning.
When I woke up, he had already woken up. He had gently folded up the pullout couch back to his couch position. The sofa, you know, folded up. Folded every piece of linen perfectly. The messed up janky leg that's broken, he rigged it back in. The best house guest you could ever imagine, and he's outside in our garden.
doing gardening work, like tidying up the garden for us. And that was the scene that I woke up to. And I was just like, you know what? In front of, you know, like all the podcasts and the TV and the whatever, there's the one guy. But what really meant to me, like that's the superhero power, this way of being. Like go with the flow, such a wonderful, gracious house guest and just like.
is the behind the scenes when the camera's not on that I really saw someone that I truly respected. Yeah.
Tim Doyle (30:34.126)
Well, that's very cool. find the couch part very funny, actually. Going back to that meditation experience, like you previously mentioned, I've had some guests on who've had near-death experiences, most notably Dr. Eben Alexander. And there's that correlation between having a near-death experience and that being the catalyst for having this very profound spiritual awakening.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (30:38.43)
Yeah.
Tim Doyle (31:03.074)
You obviously didn't have a near death experience. This was in a meditation session. Is there any understanding or answer for why you think you were able to have such a profound meditation like that?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (31:17.852)
Yeah, I was on this podcast called the Jeff Mara podcast and he called it a near death like experience, which is very accurate. Yeah, it was like I didn't have to die, but I had the I had the tremendous blessing of a very similar experience to what many ND years experience. You know, I don't have all the answers about the perfect timing of things like, is it possible that that's
that was some kind of a preordained life plan that I would take a circuitous route and go into math and go into tech and then come back to holistic natural healing and then shortly after that be reminded of who and what I really am in this experience that that was some part of my life plan. It seems like something like that because
You know, when you meditate, I think you never lose. It's always a win. Every time you decide to get still and take some deep breaths and drop in and attune to yourself is always a win. But in this particular case, it was this blessing that I was supposed to experience early in my journey and have that be the impulse that keeps me really inspired to keep asking the questions. I feel like in today's world,
It was such a dramatic experience that I had. I literally experienced one moment just meditating my body and the next moment the size of the entire cosmos one with all of creation. And it was like this faraway voice. I don't know how much time elapsed where I heard that the meditation teacher's voice was guiding some other part of meditation. And then there was this like, oh yeah.
There's a girl named Edith Chan sitting in some room in San Francisco. Maybe this it is time to go back to that it. It was this like totally no more personality state. Like it was just like, yeah, there is some kind of tethering to this physical incarnation that kind of called me back and.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (33:41.65)
when I finally landed in the physical body again. It was this weird clashing that I had a really hard time articulating until years later because it was a clash of all these emotions and energies of intense love and appreciation and so much gratitude that I went home and returned to our natural state. I remembered who and what we really are and it's just such a beautiful.
homecoming experience. And at the same time, here I am back in this physical body and it just all feels like this whole reality is built backwards and upside down, a bunch of lies that I've bought into and grief and sadness and anger and all that and it all clashed together. And so all that could happen in that moment of ineffable
intensity of clashing of experiences was avalanches of tears bursting out of my eyeballs, just sobbing, weeping from the soul, you And that turned me into a seeker that in those days, there weren't so many podcasts, so many books, so many, you know, it's so, in some ways, a blessing these days. I really had to go deep within myself and
It was two or three years of intense dark night of the soul, because I didn't have that many people to talk to about it. And maybe that was the perfect path for me in today's world. Anyone that has a sudden awakening or mystical experience, there's a lot of support now for us to integrate and stabilize. So I felt unintegrated and destabilized for about two or three years afterwards. It took a long time to kind of...
round myself into this understanding of the vast nature of our reality and at the same time being balanced and embodied and stable enough to, you know, like run a business, do a podcast, in my case, raise two children and homeschool them while running two businesses and be a grounded, embodied and practical person. So,
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (35:59.646)
You started this episode asking me about the new pioneers and the trailblazers, you know, such as your audience. To me, that's the trailblazing that's happening. It's like, can you be multidimensional and mystical and aware of energetic realms, aware of spiritual realms, and at the same time, practical and grounded and body strong and healthy in your physical body and run a successful business.
show up places on time, be high integrity, dependable, get stuff done in life. Can you be all of that at the same time? And to me, that's the new human that is we're seeing kind of popping up all around the world now.
Tim Doyle (36:43.884)
really, really like that. So with your work, it's grounded in obviously helping people heal ailments. And that's what's on the surface. But taking a step below that, how is your work also about showing people that these ailments and these things that they're struggling with, above all else can also be gifts in their life and something that can be used for future good.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (37:13.456)
Yeah, you know, everyone's on their path at their own perfect pace, but the types of people that come to my practice, my Chinese medicine practice or my coaching practice, you know, we always attract the perfect people to work with us at the level that they're ready for. So not to downplay those practitioners that help people with illness and symptoms, but that's not the type of people that come to me anymore. Usually people come with
hey, I have this ailment or symptom and I want to use this as an opportunity to really look deeper under the hood as what's going on. They're already usually kind of aware that there are deeper things to look at. And very quickly we look at the symptom, but in Chinese medicine we call it root and branch, like the branch is the symptom, the root is the deeper disharmony or imbalances that are at play. And that very quickly, that conversation,
goes into not just like imbalances in their biochemistry, but imbalances in their life, in their relationships. It becomes a life conversation very often. Like, are you in a toxic work environment that doesn't feel right for you? And what would it take to find the courage? Maybe this health ailment is the thing that kind of wakes us up to, wow, I need to speak up, or I need to change my career. I need to...
switch up my environment so that it is more aligned and congruent with my values. So the conversation gets into really beautiful, soulful inquiry very quickly. And even early in my career, I mostly worked with either high performance athletes, because I have a sports background, and my doctorate degree was at the intersection of endocrinology and
holistic sports medicine. So using holistic medicine and all the longevity and anti-aging type of strategies to enhance sports performance. And also I have specialty training in orthopedics and sports injuries and so on. So I attracted a lot of very elite high-performance athletes into my practice. And I also attracted people with very difficult complex.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (39:37.06)
supposedly incurable and finger quotes type of conditions where other doctors may have given up and they come to my practice. With both of these types of populations, what's the same is that they're very motivated in going deep into what works and what doesn't work and they're very committed to their health and well-being. And so I was able to learn so much from everybody.
And what I found over and over again is this consistent trend of, it's kind of a paradox. The paradox is the ones that had the best healing results were the ones that weren't resistant to the fact that they had an injury or an illness. They welcomed it as an opportunity to learn and grow and discover something deeper about themselves. And because they welcomed it,
It moves through very quickly and they heal very fast. The ones that are really, is that saying what you resist persists, right? The ones that are like, I'm so upset. I'm so angry that my body is failing me and darn it body. I don't have time to be sick right now. That energy and that attitude often prolongs the process. So, life is funny like that. It's, it's the paradox, you know.
Tim Doyle (40:53.486)
I think that goes to the programming as well though, because that's what we're told. We're told we're supposed to fight these things. Hey, this is a bad thing. Hey, this is a problem that needs to be solved rather than doing the opposite of that and being like, Hey, this is something that we can actually tap into and find wisdom and can be used as a stepping stone for something even better in your life rather than a hindrance.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (41:15.356)
Yeah. A typical example with the athlete is that if they say they have an injury, they will listen to the injury, take good care of it, pump the brakes on the training, work with the injury, do the PT, do the manual therapy, all the things, and then work with their coach to look at their technique, their training program.
Let's say they're a triathlete, they might work with a professional bike fitter to see if the bicycle needs, the equipment needs to be adjusted for better alignment so that they don't get injured and, go into the whole inquiry of how can I realign things to, to learn from this experience, you know, those are the guys that always have the best results. So.
Tim Doyle (41:56.898)
find it interesting how you talk about in your book where people can come to you with a host of different ailments, whether it's back pain, headaches, gut and digestion issues. But you talk about how it all comes back to chronic stress and that's the root cause. What was the process of you understanding this and deducing this?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (42:23.358)
Yeah, I feel like the word chronic stress is overused and there's not enough nuance maybe in just calling it stress, you know? Because there's also good kinds of stress, right? Like Chinese medicine 101 is yin yang balance, yin and yang. So an athlete, how do they get thinner and stronger?
Do stress the system, right? It's the balance between stress and recovery, stress and recovery. If there's no amount of stress, you don't get fitter and stronger. But if you don't do sufficient recovery, you just get injured, right? So what is the harmony and the dance and the flow of the stress recovery, stress recovery cycle so that we keep learning and growing fitter and stronger and wiser? I mean, it's not just the physical body, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. We go through cycles of challenges in life.
We learn and integrate and gain wisdom from those challenges. And then the next time something like that happens, it doesn't even feel like a challenge anymore because you're so confident that you can move through something like that. Whereas people might call it use the term trauma. If we stay stuck in the challenge and we don't have the support system to digest, process, integrate, and turn that stress into a strengthening experience, then we can get stuck in a certain state of stress.
So I would say that in that way, stress that stays as just this overstimulated state where there's no support to recover from it, to learn from it, to integrate and absorb it and process it and turn it into strength. That's really the issue so much in our society is that we're overstimulated and we literally have indigestion.
from all the hyper stimulus, right? We don't have enough downtime to actually take stock of our lives, to really digest and process and assimilate the experiences of life so that we can glean strength and wisdom from it. One of the beautiful things that we do in the Super Wellness six week journey, maybe we can go through the whole journey. There's an acronym, H-E-A-L-T-H.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (44:48.658)
When we get to week four or five, we do a deep meditative, mindful eating experience. And we turn that experience of eating as a teacher for, know, like how do we eat? Most people eat on the run, eat on the go. They scarf down a whole sandwich in five minutes and they just like hustle, hustle, hustle. They don't even take time to taste their food and they eat under stress.
A lot of people that come to me, they eat all organic, super healthy, all the right stuff. But I always joke that they make really expensive poop because they're like, why all these like super food organic groceries, but they don't digest it well because they don't chew their food. don't take time and they're eating under stress. And so the body's not absorbing the nutrients and so on. So you make very expensive pee and poop. Anyway, when we do a mindful
meditative eating practice, and we slow down and chew every bite and savor each and every bite until it becomes liquefied and you really experience what it's like to nourish yourself slowly and mindfully. It becomes not just something that recalibrates your relationship with eating and nutrition and food, like how you eat being at least as important as what you eat, but it often
expands into a conversation about how the way that we do one thing is how we do everything else very often. And so how we eat in a rush, eat on the go, it reminding us where am I in the rest of my life? Hustling through life and kind of missing the nourishment that is possible. And then we have indigestion from life. How often is that going on? You know?
And at the same time, a lot of beautiful things too. When people slow down and do the mindful eating practice, they realize that, my relationship with food, there's also some wonderful things. I really enjoy many different flavors and variety. And I'm like that in the rest of my life. I like to explore and adventure and appreciate variety and adventure in the rest of my life. Or when I'm with my food, I realize I really love to share. I really love to share a meal. really like to...
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (47:10.014)
cook a meal for my friend and that's emblematic of how I am in the rest of my life too. I like to be a generous heart that shares my gifts and experiences with other people in my life. So it's not always like criticizing ourselves, of course, but this slowing down to turn it into a meditative eating experience can be a very profound experience for many people. the biggest one of each of which is this
slowing down to actually digest your food and slowing down enough to really digest life and turn it into a strengthening experience.
Tim Doyle (47:50.19)
Can you give a general overview of what the health concept looks like?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (47:54.246)
Yeah, yeah, so, so for people that might have read the book already, you know that how it all started is because I realized that I'd have all these patients with very complicated health conditions. And I kept discovering, it's like, is this just me? Or is it like the low-hanging fruit things that everybody skips?
People have tried all these expensive therapies. They've been told by this doctor and that doctor their thing is finger close incurable or there's nothing you can do about it. You just kind of have to live with feeling crappy for the rest of your life. All these things that people have been told. And then they come to buy practice. And of course acupuncture manual therapy, we get the energies flowing. We work with the symptoms. There's a lot that just by itself acupuncture manual therapy can do. And a few herbal prescriptions can do a lot to help people.
But then I kept, I would just get to know my people and say, hey, how's, how much do you get outside? Are you suffering from indoor-ism? You know, are you just under artificial light all day? What if you take your lunch break outside every day? What would happen there? And people with mysterious skin conditions, with healing, autoimmune conditions, all these things, their symptoms would get way better just with simple changes like fresh air and sunshine.
And they would come back and say, I'm mind blown at how potent just every day getting fresh air and sunshine is for my health. I'm like, yeah, I know. And it's free. And people are just like, well, what else? And so I started developing these frameworks of breathing and hydration and these.
Tim Doyle (49:24.782)
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Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (49:34.482)
fundamental building blocks of our health that we skip over and we way over complicated, not because we don't know about these things, but because we way devalued it because nobody can make money off of these things. So there's no advertising dollars pumping ads in our face reminding us to just get outside and fresh air and sunshine, you know, because like you can't patent it. Nobody's going to
profit off of you being self-empowered with simple free stuff in your life. So I started putting together this framework. I started teaching some classes and gradually I discovered that the secret sauce is in how we sequentially stack this journey of inquiry, step by step by step, starting with the low-hanging fruit things, get our physiology right so that we can then do the deeper soul searching kind of stuff to inquire into what is causing this
chronic stress, where is my life out of alignment and out of attunement with what my heart and soul really wants? That deeper conversation I found when you go to personal growth workshops and so on, I consistently found that if people's physiology can handle that inquiry, they'll have the breakthroughs. If their physiology is really out of sorts, it's hard for them to really go into some of those soul-searching deeper conversations. So the sequence does seem to matter.
So here goes, H-E-A-L-T-H is the acronym to make it easy to remember. So in our classes, we go through these six kind of modules to inquire into the first H, which is coming home to ourselves. Before we even talk about which biohack or which technique or which strategy, let's have a deeper conversation about...
What is it that you want in life? And if you want to be healthy, let's just focus on health. What is health? Western medicine might say, well, you know, if you look at Western medicine, probably the closest answer it might say is like the absence of illness and disease or illness and symptom. That's why everything is anti, anti-inflammatory, anti-biotic, anti-hypertensive, anti- and some people might argue anti-
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (51:56.414)
Life has rules of ups and downs, right? So what if we work with life, harmonize with life instead of trying to dominate and suppress life? And again, not poopooing on the many life-saving things that conventional Western medicine can do, especially in emergency situations. But if we're talking about nurturing health, well, what is health?
Tim Doyle (51:58.531)
Yeah.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (52:19.378)
I've never met a single person who's healthy that has never been sick, never had a symptom, never had an injury. That's called life, you know? So if it's not the absence of those things, then what is health? The types of things that people share in our classes are so rich and beautiful. And many people will share things like, well, health is my ability to be fully present and engage with life, feeling alive, inspired, joyful.
living life fully engaged. Or some people might say health is my capacity to be with the ups and downs of life, to rise through the challenges of life and to turn every challenge into an opportunity for learning and growth and to gain strength and wisdom from each experience of life. To me, that's my definition of health. Beautiful stuff like this that people share, right?
So I encourage your audience to really take some time, get some downtime and sit in silence within yourself. You want to be healthy. Everybody says they want to be healthy, but what is health? Let's calibrate our compasses properly first. And then once we talk about all the tools, tactics and strategies, you can keep asking yourself, are all my self-care practices aligned with what I say my definition of health is? Let's really sit with that question.
And then we have some conversations about, what are some simple, super low-hang fruit things that you already know? For example, we started this conversation today talking about how a human being is not just a 3D object. We're not a bunch of robotic parts. We have body, mind, emotion, soul, all these levels. So I would ask the audience to consider coming home to yourself, taking beautiful care of yourself, your body, mind, emotion, soul, all these levels.
What do you do on a consistent basis that's nourishing to your body, nourishing to your mind, nourishing to your emotions and nourishing to your soul? And when I ask people this, a lot of times people are like, wow, actually just nature time, music, hugs, spending time with loved ones, getting downtime to chill out and do nothing. There's so many simple things that we already know that we can be implementing to take.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (54:39.058)
way better care of our health, that doesn't have to be anything complicated. So this first module of coming home to ourselves is to like get rid of all the noise and all the complexity and get a tune within yourself. What works for you, you actually already know. Let's put it into play and let's not overcomplicate it. So that's H, come home to ourselves. The second acronym is E. E stands for environment.
So it kind of like sequentially it bleeds into the next thing. A lot of people say, yeah, I notice I feel way better if I get fresh air and sunshine every day. I feel way better if I spend regular amounts of time in nature and get off of the tech, you know, take a break and not be under artificial light and the blue lights and the fluorescent lights and the LED lights. That's kind of harsh on my system. When I go into nature and get full spectrum natural light, I feel more myself again. Well, why are we complicating it?
Just go outside. You know, it's free. Go to the neighborhood park lit if you're blessed enough to live near some nature trails, a park, you know, like get out into nature. And at night, turn off the lights, dim the lights, turn off the screen time and get yourself complete darkness and bathe in that soup melatonin at night. And as much as possible, decrease or eliminate Wi-Fi signals and all the non-native EMF. Like get the energetic environment of your living situation.
dialed back into nature's rhythms. And that by itself, just the H and the E, just completely free and total game changers for not just everyday people like you and I who are reasonably already pretty healthy, but people with severe debilitating chronic disease.
Tim Doyle (56:14.114)
Game changers.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (56:27.358)
Within the first two weeks, just doing these simple things are complete game changers and they're mind blown because they've been to doctor after doctor after doctor, spending so many tens of thousands of dollars on expensive, complicated therapies and nobody told them to value these free things, you know? So, so not to say those therapies don't work, but do this and this will boost everything else. It supports everything else, you know? So H E and then
A is something that requires a little bit breaking down because many health nuts start with changing their diet. If I want to be healthy, I better work on my diet. I think the reason for that is because people can make money off of selling us special diet supplements or special complicated diet techniques. And it's not that it doesn't work for sure. We see good results, but I always ask people if you have to kind of prioritize.
In a survival situation, how long could you live without physical food compared to drinking water? Like, again, don't test this at home, but don't try to see how long you can survive. But technically, the textbooks say that you can survive for like, you know, three weeks, 30 days without food if you had good water. I took a survival tactics course and they said,
they said about that, like three days without water, three weeks without food in a survival type of situation is like loosely the estimation. But you know, I know a lot of people that have done 30 day water fast, you know, to heal themselves and so on. let's say, let's just say you're not a breatharian, but you're reasonably healthy person, probably 30 days without food and probably three days without water, probably. So is it possible that hydration
is 10x as important as nutrition. So if you've had game changing results with changing up your nutrition, wait till you work on your hydration. And hydration has so much to do with not just like how much water you drink, but what kind of water and how well does that water work in your body. And there's this whole new science of water, about the fourth phase water, structured water, the information and energy that water can hold.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (58:51.78)
and transmit into your body. There's so much cool stuff to explore about water. And hydration is about ultimately how well does that water function in your cells, in your tissues to facilitate your biochemistry and all the physiology and so on, right? There's a lot to talk about with just water, but just consider the possibility that it may be 10 times as important as nutrition, maybe. Okay.
How long can you live without breathing air?
How long? Like a few minutes. So is it possible that air and breathing is a thousand times, 2,000 times as important as hydration, which is 10 times as important as nutrition? I just say, mean, I'm saying this with like a little bit tongue in cheek and joking, but kind of not joking that maybe breathing practice and air quality is number one.
Tim Doyle (59:24.758)
Not... Not long.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (59:54.526)
Hydration, not just drinking water, but drinking high quality water with really pure water that has life force energy in it that's structured and enhances the physiology of your body. That's number two. And food is way down, number three. So A stands for get your A's in order. Air is first, agua is second.
And then umph, my partner came up with umph for the eating part. It's really only third on that list. Put those back in perspective. If anything, work on breathing first. Whenever you feel stressed out, cranky, anxious, tired, take some deep breath first. Then go drink some really high quality water second, and then go eat a snack third in that order. Game changer, another game changer. H-E-A
total game changer in your life. After this, then we go into L, which is what many people rush to this part, lightening up. People say, I've got to detox, I've got to fast and all of this.
I suggest that before you do fat and intermittent fasting has gotten so popular, juicing and cleansing and all the detoxes are really popular, I support it wholeheartedly. But your success with the lightening up and cleaning and detox is going to be so much more successful if you've done the H-E-A first. And then...
with that support system, let's say you're doing breath work, outdoors, barefoot on bare earth, grounding, nature time, sunshine, all of this, drinking really high quality water. Now when you do your intermittent fasting, you're gonna have a really pleasant experience with it. And when it comes to that L component, besides lightening up our food, some intermittent fasting,
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (01:01:57.826)
We also do the mindful eating, it really slow down and get in touch with how we eat, not just what we eat. And when we do juices and cleansing, I always recommend that we also simultaneously do a digital media detox. Because when we eat lighter, we become extra sensitive.
And we become really aware of how we're not just consuming our food, but we're consuming media and content that may be, you know, like harming our health in some times, or uplifting and inspiring and upgrading our health. You know, it's a kind of food. It's the food, not just for the physical body, but emotions, mental, spiritually, you know, to really think of the content that we consume and the media we consume as a type of food.
So mindfulness across all the dimension and lighten up and detoxify all the stuff that we don't need. So H, coming home to ourselves. E, optimize our environment. Sunshine during the day, sleep in darkness, grounding, barefoot bare earth, nature time, that kind of good stuff. E stands for environment. A stands for air first, agua second, umph is third on the list. Lightening up is fourth.
Now, HEAL is complete. From this state, your physiology is attuned in such a way that your nervous system and your inner attunement is heightened so you can really do the deeper work of the mind mastery and deprogramming old stressful thoughts and old limitation programs and all the societal conditioning that keeps us disconnected from how
powerful we really are as human beings.
Tim Doyle (01:03:47.214)
To add one point to that, because like what you were saying earlier, what does health mean to you? And for me personally, what health truly means is to be able to heal and going through that acronym, like you can't spell health without heal. And that's what I love about your work and it's a lot of my work as well as this focus on healing. And just to add one personal point about me, so I dealt with lot of chronic back pain and went through the entire.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (01:04:02.792)
Yes.
Tim Doyle (01:04:15.544)
conventional medical system and didn't help at all. And the mindset and the languages was always around recovery. You know, you have this injury that you need to recover from. And then when I took a mind body holistic approach, it quickly switched to, okay, we need to heal. And there is a vast difference, I think, between those two things. And I have my own definitions, but I'm curious to know.
From your standpoint, what do you see as the difference between healing and recovery?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (01:04:49.36)
Yeah, mean, I suppose recovery is just where you bounce back from the symptom, whereas healing implies to me that you've taken that opportunity to, like we shared earlier, digest, assimilate, and take full advantage of the opportunity to gain strength, gain wisdom, gain knowledge, gain goodness out of the challenge of the situation, you know, and become a
an even more whole version of yourself as a result of
Tim Doyle (01:05:23.768)
That's exactly how I see it as well. And because I literally looked it up in the dictionary, what recovery means, and it's a return to where you were. And I'm like, that's not what healing is. I'm not like returning to who I used to be. It's like, I'm a much higher version of myself now.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (01:05:36.647)
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, beautiful. Yeah, beautifully put. Yeah, so H-E-A-L. Now T, this is the real juicy work. However, I just want to underscore again how important it is that we go through the H-E-A-L process so that you have the physiological foundation, your nervous system, your self-attunement. You've done some inquiry to kind of really listen to what...
Tim Doyle (01:05:43.438)
So to get back to the acronym now, so we're up to T.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (01:06:05.99)
what your definition of health is, you've taken back command of your lifestyle, your health, your life. Your orientation now is like, I'm the basically boss and CEO of my own life here. Now when you go into the T, T stands for thoughts and T stands for truth.
So mind mastery and mastering our thoughts and letting go of stressful thoughts, working with our thoughts so we become aware when we are running limitation thoughts and programs and belief systems and how to dissolve those and step back into self-empowerment. That's a big part of personal growth work, obviously. So in this module, it's a big topic and we just kind of put it into place and I share a few of my favorite tools.
But really the reason for the HALTH framework is that now you can plug in whatever are your favorite tools, tactics and strategies, and you have a context for how all of these pieces pieced together. So the reason T stands for truth also is because in that module, we explore how when we are lying to ourselves or lying to others or when the world is lying to us.
It creates a discordant energy that ultimately you can feel in your body. And there's practices where we can simply just kind of drop into a meditative state and be really attuned to our body and say something simple like, my name is Edith and I'm a human being. I'm here. I'm present. That feels congruent and harmonious in my body. If I say my name is
Joe Schmoe, I'm an arsonist and an axe murderer. It's gonna feel like a lie in my body. I can feel a cringiness in my body, right? So we start studying this and become a student of how, you know, when we expose ourselves to lies in the media, when we lie to ourselves, when we're living little lies or big lies in our lives, it ultimately creates energetic distortion, patterns, disharmony.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (01:08:23.31)
incongruence that we feel in our body that leads to ultimate like energetic conflicts that can lead to real physical diseases. So we become a student of how that works. And that's another part of your definition of health and healing is then we listen to those discordant energies. And we go deep into the inquiry of, okay, well, how can I bring this back into congruence within myself? How can I be in harmony within myself? How can I come to peace within myself?
And so this is a big topic that is really a lifelong practice of mastering our thoughts and aligning with our inner truth. T stands for thoughts, T stands for truth is a really big topic and it is really an entire life's work. But everything else supports this work. And ultimately when we're living a life that is congruent within ourselves in alignment with our truths, when we have an attitude of working with our thoughts and beliefs where we
turn all of this into a learning experience where continuously letting go of our old limitation programs and stepping back into our true authentic self, our true empowered and beautiful state of being that is everybody's natural birthright. When we live like this, what happens is we become beautiful, open-hearted human beings again. And there's the Institute of Heart Math and all the science around heart coherence that we can tap into.
And everybody can feel when someone walks into a room that is holding a very heart coherent energy, is palpable in the room. And it turns out the science shows that if just one person walks into a room with heart coherence, that becomes an organizing energetic principle for the whole group. And it helps everybody else around you to kind of click into their heart coherence. When you have a group coherence,
A team of people work together synergistically and harmoniously and a lot of beautiful things can come together in a state of collaboration and peacefulness and teamwork. And, you know, this is how we can actually create world peace. One human being at a time tapping into their health and wellbeing and locking back into their heart coherent state. And so what's left after the H-E-A-L-T
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (01:10:48.021)
is living from the heart, is being a human being that is consistently, hopefully with practice, with continuous nurturing and cultivation, 24-7, 365, living in a state of heart coherence, attuned to their inner compass, attuned to their intuitive guidance, living life from their authentic heart. This is such a beautiful world and to me, this is the kind of quote, social activism that we need.
by each of us taking beautiful care of ourselves and becoming the very best version of ourselves, the most healthy, vibrant, authentic, whole version of ourselves and sharing our beautiful hearts with the world and with our community. So this is the work that we're doing. And this is why I call us pioneers and trailblazers, because this is literally world-changing stuff, simply by taking beautiful care of ourselves first.
Tim Doyle (01:11:46.75)
Edith, that's a beautiful way to bookend the conversation, how we started with Pioneers and how we ended with it. Where can people go to connect with you to see more of all the work that you're doing?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (01:11:57.126)
Yeah, thank you so much. It was a beautiful conversation. I really enjoyed it today. My website is dredithubuntu.com. That's spelled D-R-E-D-I-T-H. Ubuntu is spelled U-B-U-N-T-U.com. And the book is called Super Wellness, which you can find online, on Amazon. yeah, Super Wellness has its own separate website, superwellness.com.
I encourage everyone to check out my personal website, dredithabuntu.com because super wellness is really the launching pad to a lot of other cool stuff. Once you're attuned in this way as a whole body, mind, emotion, soul, attuned, aligned, coherent. Now it opens up all kinds of cool possibilities. So we have a lot of interesting other personal growth, spiritual growth kind of offerings that
launches off of the super wellness work that I'd love to invite your audience to explore also. yeah, lots of expansive new human possibilities are kind of like awakening all over the planet right now. And so I feel really blessed to be part of the kind of front edge of these movements that are happening.
Tim Doyle (01:13:10.712)
So awesome and so great to be able to talk with you today.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (01:13:13.724)
Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you to the audience for sharing this beautiful conversation. I hope that it served you and inspired you and uplifted your life and let's stay connected.
